is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.
the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.
i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.
The Bible is well written.
Only those who don't understand love cannot understand the Bible.
"God is love."
Love: ' unselfish interest in another's welfare'.
Fundamental Christians:
'If someone doesn't believe what I believe they can burn in hell for all I care '.
'I can't wait for Armageddon when God kills everyone that doesn't agree with me'
is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.
the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.
i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.
FreeTheMasons
@joeyjojo -
If I cared more about what people think than about what Jehovah thinks, I'd still be in the JWborg now.
You seem to care more about impressing people than truth, which is why you value "being taken seriously" more than I do.
Are you a former JW elder?
No. In my 30 - ish years as a born in jw I never 'reached out'. Never an elder or m.s. - I didnt even auxilliary pioneer once.
Im not a fan of Garth Brooks or country music, so I dont know the song you are referring to, but thanks for dedicating it to me.
Enjoy your beer- I wish i was drinking one right now.
is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.
the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.
i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.
FreetheMasons, I'm not sure if you are new here, or posting with a new account. With respect, you are simply paraphrasing selected bible passages that you believe to have some kind of meaning in 2024.
This board is full of people that lived a majority of their lives as JW's and have heard all of this before. Since leaving the org, a lot of those same people have studied the Bible in great detail - including the inconvenient parts of the bible they don't talk about much at the meetings.
All you seem to be saying is, ' the bible said it- that settles it'. That's not good enough if you want to be taken seriously.
is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.
the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.
i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.
In other words, first you have evidence, then you have faith that is built on that evidence.
It's not possible to build real faith without having the evidence first.
Sorry , not true. JW's do not have any 'real faith'. They have believed many different things about the same topic during their history. The 'evidence' they had was based on whatever the latest watchtower said.
Also, the very definition of faith requires no evidence. It is the exact opposite of fact.
Faith- belief in something whether its true or not.
Fact - something that is true, whether you believe it or not.
is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.
the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.
i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.
There are no writings - biblical, or non-biblical that are contemporaneous, eyewitness accounts of Jesus. Everything we know about him was written decades later.
If any of us was asked to write a story about some things we did with our friends 30 years ago, how accurate would it be? What if someone else wrote it for us after they had heard it from someone else?
Yes, there are some positive statements and wisdom in the NT, just like there are in other ancient books. Looking at it critically, its not much to go on if you are going to base your entire beliefs and those of your children on it though.
is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.
the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.
i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.
Jesus said it would happen. So it will happen
Faith:
'strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.'
calamity howling is always in style with some folks, every year.
1974 was 50 years ago this year!
i was fresh out of high school bright eyed and earnest about all things jw and watchtower.
IF you REALLY think World War Three is about to start. It is time to get off this site, get that passport updated, buy and load up a sturdy well equipped sailboat, and then find a new home in the undeveloped southern hemisphere.
As an Aussie, living in the southern hemisphere I find that mildly insulting. :)
is it just me or has there been a massive change in jws of late?.
when i grew up in the cult they had a real sense of urgency and would do an hour minimum, these days it’s not even ten mins before coffee break.. same goes for everything else, it’s half hearted .
The average ex-jw poster here would do a better job door to door than the current crop of JW's I've met
say it ain’t so!
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in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?
I agree with comments about not reporting the number anymore. That seems like a logical way to handle it.
It leaves the problem about whether the 144000 has been filled to the imagination, without the GB having to continually quantify anything going forward.
Over time, it will become an insignificant detail - if it isn't already, only remembered by a few oldies whose opinions don't count anymore.
say it ain’t so!
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in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?
The GB changes a beloved, 'factual', 'bible-based', core doctrine and JW's will lap it all up.
They are like magicians performing a magic trick and showing the audience how they did it and yet, the average JW is still fooled.
